According to the news Spirit Lake is sick of the controversy. Jeanotte gave a statement saying the people have spoken and are against the use of the name.

Not a lot of info. Just Leigh Jeanotte (not an enrolled member of the Spirit Lake tribe) giving a quote.

Daron Selvig also quoted the Spirit Lake council's treasurer (forget name) as saying they are "sick of hearing about the issue."

So it doesn't appear that the tribe is willing to have any sort of discussion with UND.

Maybe it's just me, but I've got to believe that you lose credibility as a writer when you don't even realize one of the people you are villifying for doing something today has been dead for nearly three years.

Bingo.

Very interesting. Who from the Spirit Lake tribe elected him to represent them? Who from UND gave him permission to interfere with a scheduled meeting between Kupchella and the tribal council?

I'm thinking that if I did something like that, I'd no longer have a job.

I'm going to fax a copy of Jeanotte's article in the REA dedication program to the Herald, the Forum, the NCAA Online News and Indian Country Today. Do you think they'll print it since I'm not the author?

Pay? I thought the Herald would send me a check!

Every time I have read a Herald articleon this issue, it has had the line: Spirit Lake officials were unavailable for comment. I was wondering to myself when those at the Spirit Lake Tribe were going to get sick of the Herald, Forum, and every other news paper in the nation calling on a daily basis for a quote. It could be very possible that they are completely sick of the issue. But then why would you go as far to schedule a meeting with Kupchella just to cancle the night before??? I can't imagine that is the reasoning. Even if it was, how in the hell would Leigh Jenotte know? Unless he was on the phone all day begging every one of the council members to cancle the meeting.

As far as I can see, if the Spirit Lake Tribe decides not to make any moves on the issue, their previous resolution to support UND would then still be valid.

If not, Bennett Brien has alrady publically stated that his tribe would support UND taking it's name. At least we could keep the logo.

If nothing else...

Perhaps the Spirit Lake folks have more important matters to attend to, rather than worrying about UND's name/logo. Unlike some of their colleagues.



Precisely, but don't tell that to Jeanotte, Bellecourt, Herr Kracker, etc.

Where's the line between

"different opinion" (protected speech)

and

"insubordination" (grounds for termination, even for tenured faculty)?

There's a letter to the editor today from UND alumnus Erik Longie asking Kupchella not to go to Spirit Lake.

Kupchella shouldn't visit Spirit Lake

(sound "Charge!" bugle call here)

I say let's switch to the Fighting Chippewa. Keep the logo!!

ROTFLMAO!!! This guy must be related to Doreen YellowBird.

The only "trick" here is only hearing one side of the story and not giving UND a chance to speak.

Not really a wise decision, if you ask me.

Erik Longie must be really old by now if he can remember the "old days." Because if he wasn't physically there for the "old days" everything he's heard has been be second, third and probably even fourth hand stories. I think we all remember doing that in school. One person is told something and by the time it gets to the last person in class it's not even the same story that was originally told.

Interesting. It appears the logo question is not a big deal at Spirit Lake. Or at least it wasn't until the other tribles ripped them to shreds for not sharing their opinion....


And, once again, another accusation of how the logo somehow "causes" racism with no explanation on how that works.

I just read Erik Longie's letter in the Herald. I can't believe what I just read. He says in his letter that he talked to a colleague (no name of course) and this is what she said about Kupchella bringing students to the meeting.

"Those poor students. All that they want is an education, and Kupchella will use them to further his own cause. But when the come back to the reservation to work someday, (this is the part that made me almost fall off my chair) there are going to be people who will use this against them. They are too young and naive about tribal politics to realize that what they are doing will hurt their future."

This is a flat out threat!!!

This is turning into a bad soap opera.

Has Spirit Lake formally recinded their resolution giving UND 'permission' to use the Sioux name? If not, than the original stands as initially written. Aren't resolutions considered law by Indian Nations? I don't thint that the vote taken by the Tribal Council to oppose the name and logo can be said to be a resolution. Only a particular tribe can pass resolutions for itself; that's what we've been waiting for Spirit Lake to do, again. Since they haven't and they haven't recinded the old resolution as far as I can tell we're golden.

But as stated many times, the Lakota/Nakota/Dakota do not own the Sioux name. While UND has respectfully been looking for formal continued endorsement from Spirit Lake, that lack of cannot be used as a legal format by the NCAA. If they do not grant our appeal, it's off to court we go. And as previousily stated, there is no way that we are going to lose what is a First Amendment issue. Winning in court will protect us from going through all this cr@p imposed on us by the NC$$ in the future.

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Not a bad thought. It was the Chippewa who kicked the Sioux out of Minnesota. Winona Laduke is leading the land reclamation project but they are not going to give Grahamkracker or any of the others their land back. I believe that is one of the reasons my friend GrahamKracker uses the derogatory terms and is very much against a Chippewa artist having success designing the Sioux logo.

Did Kracker ever get back home? I hope they didn't forget him at the Legion or VFW in Bismarck. I will go get him if he needs a ride. I wonder if Puds is still open at Yates.

If having Sioux as a nickname and a logo causes racism, imagine the indignities caused by having a self-propelled teepee named after you.

Never have experienced the racism caused by the logo because they have spent most of their lives on the reservation? Does that make them hang-around-the-fort Indians as our good friend GrahamCracker likes to call them? Nice comment. How about the racism experienced ON the reservation? That racism involves having a differing opinion about the nickname/logo than what people like GK THINK your opinion should be. Heaven forbid we'd want those voices heard.

A few more quotes in the neverending saga:
http://www.grandforks.com/mld/grandforks/12754610.htm

If so, then why not pass the new resolution and get it over with? Why cancel the meeting?

And wasn't it the Tribal Council, and not UND, that wanted to hear from UND before considering a new resolution?

This cancellation doesn't make any sense.

They're tired of not discussing the issue with UND?

You're right. It makes no sense.

The hell with it. Just change the God Damn name. I am so sick and tired of this sh^t. Screw it. Be the UND Surrending Wusses or something, I don't care anymore.

Here is the KVLY story on Spirit Lake's cancellation of Kupchella's visit (scroll down).

Adding to the "this makes no sense" chatter is a statement by Chancellor Robert Potts:

How can it be a UND issue when the State Board of Higher Education has yet to rescind its requirement for UND to use the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo? Or is this Potts' way of saying that the board won't get involved until the NCAA rules on UND's appeal?

Don't be going wobbly on us now, Diggler.

Exactly, when the going gets tough, the tough get going.

It's a complete witch hunt. Someone just do something. I'm tired of reading about everyone waiting for everyone else to do something. Meanwhile UND tries to do something and nobody will even talk to them. Screw it. Either change the name now or tell everyone to blow it out their ass and plaster even more stuff all over the place.

I vote for "tell everyone to blow it out their ass and plaster even more stuff all over the place."

The problem is that we don't know what's being done or not being done. While I agree that recent developments are very frustrating, your reaction is exactly what the name-changers want.

Hey PCM, you are speaking for me again,

So you are saying we need a Toga Party? Who's gonna hit on Adele at Hugo's and invite her? Not it!

That's how I read it.

Must be a blue moon tonight.

I am beginning to see just how broad your wisdom is, Diggler. I, too, am sick of the whole thing. This is the last time I will read the "Sioux Name" thread. I am tired of the NCAA; tired of the name-change crowd; and, sadly, tired of reading yet another reason why the NCAA is wrong.

I don't want to see the "Sioux" stripped off the uniforms of my favorite hockey team. But this is a losing battle.

They are the NCAA, and as long as they make the rules, it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or says. There is no logic involved in this decision, on either side. The issue is a personal, emotional one that won't be settled on logic, nor on a point of law.

I am tired of the double standards of society concerning race. Why is everybody so concerned with the Native American names when they see nothing wrong with the Fighting Irish of Notre Dame? I guess white people can't be offended. Excuse me while I go puke.

Continuing.... where do the offensive names end?

Should white people be offended by the Minnesota Vikings, who glorify caucasion warriors of years past? How about the Trojans, Bucs and Spartans?

Team names like the Cyclones, Hurricanes, Storm and Wave should be immediately put to rest in the wake of Katrina. Talk about insensitivity!!!

Humane Societies should peition the NCAA to ban all offensive names towards domesticated animals, starting with the Bulldogs of Georgia.

Don't get me started on wildlife! The thought of a Bald Eagle, an endangered species and our national bird, used as some sort of a glorified symbol standing on sidelines across America, is traumatic.

Dude you guys could totally choke a rabbit before each game. I bet Graham Kracker himself would do it.

On tonight's WDAZ News, Spirit Lake tribal chair Myra Pearson was quoted as saying that the council wanted to meet with Kupchella in private. The Sioux name issue wouldn't be included on the council's general meeting agenda. She was also quoted as saying that the council was split on the issue.

I grew up in Chicago during the end of Mayor Daley's (Sr.) reign. Boy, right now I wish I could just slip someone a C-note and turn the tide in our favor.

OK, who the hell wants what? Seriously, decide WTF you want to do with Kupchella and then do it. Knock this stupidity off.

i got a great idea for the ncaa why dont they just take away all of ares non playoff national t.v appearances

I saw that quote in a movie, wasn't it when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.

Thanks for the link, but I've read through that a bit before. All it seems to say is Dakota. Which is also the way you see it on casinos and street names and sign designating tribal land. Yet quite often NA's will write it is as Dacotah. I'm just curious if this is a tribal thing or the proper way to write it.

I'm not sure why but I find this strangely encouraging. It would seem the council isn't interested in airing this stuff publicly any longer. They're being barraged by the other tribes, that much is already clear. If they were just going to pull back their support for UND using the name, I think they wouldn't mind that being done in a public forum. Seems they want to have a quiet discussion with Kup, and that makes me think they might want to make sure they have a forum conducive to discussion, and not a public forum. Maybe they want to hammer out some concrete conditions upon which their support would be based. Yes, apparently some of that has happened in the past, but maybe this time the expectations would be more clear. Kupchella can agree or disagree to meet whatever those conditions are. And they figure they can't have that kind of meeting with GrahamKracker in attendance.

Who knows. I'm reading a whole lot into this. Just a gut feeling.

My gut agrees with your gut.

You know darn well that what the NCAA and the anti-Sioux name forces want more than anything is a resolution from Spirit Lake that rescinds the tribe's 2000 resoltuion. So if the votes are there, why not do it, make everyone happy and end the debate that they claim is so bothersome?

But that's not what's happening. It seems like the last thing Jeanotte and company want at this point is an open vote in a public forum. Why? Because they know that they'd lose, which would then leave the NCAA up the creek with no paddle.